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03.10.2008

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Eileen

If elected, I promise a poetry book in every pot and oven in the United States of America!

Bob

if we keep on this way it'll be a poet in every oven...

John Bloomberg-Rissman

Bob, that's why we ... that's why our last hope is Tabios/Bautista ...

Ernesto Priego

LOL! :)

Ernesto Priego

Pick up your Bautista banner here:

http://neverneutral.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/my-fellow-americans/


Ernesto Priego

We are taking the world now. This has been linked by Ron Silliman.

Ernesto Priego

Wear your name with pride:

http://www.cafepress.com/tabios2008

Anny

I'm all for Eileen and pOts and pOms! Great, let's just go for it.

Ovi

Yes, I know, AC. (Found you through Always on watch.) :)At this point I truly don't give a hoot what Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Costa Rica thikns. This problem is ours, not theirs, and if Mexico weren't as corrupt as it is we wouldn't have this problem in the first place! Mexico has the national resources to provide it's people with decent wages and a decent living. Fox just doesn't give a sh*t!

Siddiq

Both have completed a crusoe which enables them to sit the NCLEX-RN board to be a registered nurse if they meet the qualifications of their state.The differences come in the additional classes provided to those in a BSN program. In addition to the supporting crusoework required to obtain a bachelor degree from the college or university, the BSN programs have crusoe work in Nursing Leadaership and Public and Community Health Nursing as well as Nursing Theory. Contrary to contentions by some other contributors (who are of crusoe welcome to their opinion) it would naturally be impossible to provide more experience in nursing in a 2 year program than in a 4 year program, thus the ignorance in that statement. Actually both produce an equally novice nurse, who will need additional skills to perform, but is generallly oriented and educated by their first position.BSNs can work in public and community health positions, which are not available to ADNs without additional education.Most hospitals and hospital systems in the country are now putting BSN required or BSN preferred on all supervisory and management positons (some even require a masters degree). There are many non-hospital nursing positions, such as research coordinators, etc, that are posted as BSN required. The US military requires all nurses on active duty have a BSN or higher degree.Simply put the BSN provides more options.As far as salary, for the initial job, most hospitals pay a small differential for nurses with the BSN. This is normally only $ 1 $ 1.50 an hour. But the potential for additional positions and advancement is where the BSN could pay off.Also, as all adavnce practice nurses require a masters degree (MSN), in general the prerequisite is a BSN or they require an RN to MSN bridge, where the BSN crusoes are picked up in route to the MSN.In general, ADNs are excellent and competent nurses, but if your goal exceeds unit level nursing, the BSN has an advantage.

Emostyle

True, LPN and RN are two separate deerges. You can chose to jump right into the RN course, but you (and generally a few others) will be doing so without the benefit of any prior nursing knowledge, and you will find it harder to keep up and make decent grades. To take the Associates Degree RN class, you will go to school full-time for 2 years, and upon passing the state boards test, you will receive your RN license then. You can chose to continue for your bachelor's degree if you want but, unless you plan on teaching or going even further (like nurse anesthetist) having a BSN wont mean squat. If you want to work in a hospital environment, any department you please, being an associates degree RN is all you need. BUT .if 2 years is too long to wait before you can start earning money, consider the LPN course. It is 1-year of full time school, after which time you take the state board exam and get your LPN license. In the school setting, the major difference between RN and LPN is that the RN focuses more on legalities, paperwork, and leadership. The LPN focuses more on the basics of patient care. In the HOSPITAL setting, the RN gets a lot more respect and a lot more fields offered to her. When I was an LPN, I was allowed to work the Emergency Rooms, and eventually ended up specializing in the Intensive Care Units, where I functioned almost indistinguishably alongside the RNs. Nowadays, LPNs seem to be relegated to just basic patient care on the medical/surgical floors. So the answer is, you can either jump right into the ADN RN class, or into the Vocational LPN Nursing class. A lot of people I know prefer to take the LPN class so that they can start earning a paycheck sooner, and (at their leisure) they begin working on the prerequisites for the RN class. You dont have to start as an LPN to become an RN, but you'll find that it helps to have that much more knowledge and experience behind you when you DO start the RN class. I know it's confusing but I hope I helped.

Alexey

There are three typical edouaticnal paths to registered nursing—a bachelor's of science degree in nursing (BSN), an associate degree in nursing (ADN), and a diploma. BSN programs, offered by colleges and universities, take about 4 years to complete. ADN programs, offered by community and junior colleges, take about 2 to 3 years to complete. Diploma programs, administered in hospitals, last about 3 years. Generally, licensed graduates of any of the three types of edouaticnal programs qualify for entry-level positions as a staff nurse. There are hundreds of registered nursing programs that result in an ADN or BSN; however, there are relatively few diploma programs.Individuals considering a career in nursing should carefully weigh the advantages and disadvantages of enrolling in each type of education program. Advancement opportunities may be more limited for ADN and diploma holders compared to RNs who obtain a BSN or higher. Individuals who complete a bachelor's degree receive more training in areas such as communication, leadership, and critical thinking, all of which are becoming more important as nursing practice becomes more complex. Additionally, bachelor's degree programs offer more clinical experience in nonhospital settings. A bachelor's or higher degree is often necessary for administrative positions, research, consulting, and teaching.

Francicleide

The pay depends not only on a dgeree but on many other factors such a position, hours, shifts, kind of institution, country, etc. I personally think it's more beneficial to go for BSN (that's what i am doing now) and later on to add MA or MSc in another field like public health or something like that.You can ask your question on nursing forums such as allnurses.com or forums.nurse.comThere are many experienced nurses who can give you an answer based on their own experienceGood luck!

Lina

Depends on where you want to work. In my area, some of the larger, recerash type hospitals are only hiring BSNs and they are strongly encouraging their associates and diploma nurses to get their BSN. So, the salary difference is easy to see.Otherwise, there is little difference in the beginning.One major difference is that a BSN can move onto advanced practice (Nurse practitioner, nurse educator, anesthesia) with relative ease as they are already bachelors prepared.A BSN is a wise investment

Brunno

Depends entirely on where you live, the local job maekrt for nurses, and number of health-care facilities in your area. Your prospects should include: nursing homes, hospitals, jails/prison, schools, physicians' offices, ambulatory clinics and surgical centers.LPNs have a lot of restrictions as a nurse, and as a new nurse you are further restricted because you are basically inexperienced. Your best shot at a job for your situation is a nursing home, check with as many as you can find in about a 45 mile driving distance. Even experienced nurses don't find the job or workplace of their choice when they are out of work, so be patient and apply to as many places as you can.

Aldair

A registered nurse (RN) eteihr received her ASN or BSN.ASN (Associate of science in nursing) is a 2 year program, which allows people to become RN's faster than those going for the BSN.BSN (Bachelor of science in nursing) is a 4 year program, which is preferred and provides the best opportunities for graduates. Typically the first one to two years of the program are spent fulfilling general education requirements, while the last two to three years are spent on nursing courses.MSN (Masters of science in nursing) is a 2 year program that allows a nurse to specialize in a particular area. For example, hospital administration, clinical research, etc. Most people going for an MSN already have a BSN. Since you are interested in working in the ER or ICU you could just get your RN license whether it is by getting an ASN or a BSN, it's up to you. Both require that you sit for the NCLEX exam to get an RN license. You mentioned that you are completing your BS, so I found this online since I am not really familiar with these programs:(Second Degree BSN programs: are designed for non-nurses who have bachelor's degrees in non-nursing fields. These programs will give you credit for having completed your liberal arts requirements, allowing you to complete the nursing portion of your coursework (and earn your BSN) in two academic years or less.)

Alhaine

The BSN program is a 4 year, very intvsniee program. This program will teach you different blocks of information, and then you will need to go into the hospital environment to practice what you have learned during that block of information until eventually you have gotten to the end of it, and then you will be required to do a prectorship where you will be able to practice doing the stuff that you have learned to do. If you successfully pass this, then you're able to sit and write the RN licencing test.ASN is the associates which is 2 years, but it is not the full nursing program. This would allow you to do something like the Licenced Practical Nurse, Certified Nursing Assistant or the Registered Nursing Assistant, but in order to be an RN, you would need to get the BSN program, which is listed as above.The MSN level is the masters of nursing, and this will allow you to do something like a nursing coordinator, supervisor, clinical supervisor etc.. You will need to have this level to do any sort of coordinator, supervisor etc.I hope that this helps you a little bit more.

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